Legislature(2001 - 2002)

02/27/2002 08:08 AM House EDU

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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION                                                                            
                       February 27, 2002                                                                                        
                           8:08 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Con Bunde, Chair                                                                                                 
Representative Brian Porter                                                                                                     
Representative Joe Green                                                                                                        
Representative Gary Stevens                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                     
Representative Gretchen Guess                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Fred Dyson                                                                                                       
Representative Mike Chenault                                                                                                    
Senator Bettye Davis                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 416                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to reemployment of and benefits for retired                                                                    
teachers and principals who participated in retirement incentive                                                                
programs; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHB 416(EDU) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BRIEFING BY THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND ALASKA                                                                         
DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND EARLY DEVELOPMENT ON THE "NO CHILD                                                                  
LEFT BEHIND ACT"                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS ACTION                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 416                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE:REEMPLOYMENT OF RETIRED TEACHERS                                                                                    
SPONSOR(S): EDUCATION                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SUSAN SCLAFANI, Ph.D., Counselor                                                                                                
to the U.S. Secretary of Education                                                                                            
U.S. Department of Education                                                                                                    
Washington, D.C.                                                                                                                
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Briefed  members  on  the "No  Child  Left                                                               
Behind Act of 2001" and its impact on Alaska.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ED McLAIN, Ph.D., Deputy Commissioner of Education                                                                              
Office of the Commissioner                                                                                                      
Department of Education and Early Development                                                                                   
801 West 10th Street, Suite 320                                                                                                 
Juneau, Alaska  99801-1894                                                                                                      
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Briefed  members  on  the "No  Child  Left                                                               
Behind Act of 2001" and its impact on Alaska.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 02-9, SIDE A                                                                                                               
Number 0001                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CON BUNDE  called the House Special  Committee on Education                                                               
meeting to order at 8:08 a.m.   Present at the call to order were                                                               
Representatives Bunde, Porter, Green, and Stevens.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
HB 416-REEMPLOYMENT OF RETIRED TEACHERS                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 0107                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  announced the  first order  of business,  HOUSE BILL                                                               
NO. 416,  "An Act  relating to reemployment  of and  benefits for                                                               
retired teachers  and principals  who participated  in retirement                                                               
incentive programs; and providing for  an effective date."  Chair                                                               
Bunde further  announced that  there would  be no  testimony that                                                               
day, although Kodiak was online as a listen-only site.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
[HB 416, sponsored  by the House Special  Committee on Education,                                                               
had been  heard on  February 20,  at which  time Amendment  1 was                                                               
adopted;  however,  there   was  considerable  related  committee                                                               
discussion  on January  30 and  February  6 prior  to the  bill's                                                               
introduction.]                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE  requested  a  motion  to  adopt  Amendment  2,  22-                                                               
LS1472\C.1, Craver, 2/22/02, which read:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, following line 5:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
      "*Sec. 2.   AS  14.25.043 is amended  by adding  a new                                                                  
     subsection to read:                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
               (d) A retired teacher who participated in a                                                                      
     retirement incentive  program under  ch. 26,  SLA 1986;                                                                    
     ch. 89, SLA 1989; ch. 65,  SLA 1996; ch. 4, FSSLA 1996;                                                                    
     or  ch.   92,  SLA   1997,  and  who   is  subsequently                                                                    
     reemployed  under this  section  shall be  paid at  the                                                                    
     rate new teachers are paid  according to the negotiated                                                                    
     salary  schedule of  the  school  district or  regional                                                                    
     education attendance area that hires the teacher."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 8, following "Act":                                                                                         
          Insert "; AS 14.25.043(d)"                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 0216                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN  moved to adopt  the foregoing  as Amendment                                                               
2.                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE explained  that  the intent,  which  he believed  to                                                               
reflect  the  committee's  intent,  is  that  teachers  who  have                                                               
retired under  the RIP [retirement incentive  program] option can                                                               
be reemployed by a school  district at whatever salary level that                                                               
district has  negotiated for  teachers new to  the district.   He                                                               
asked whether any committee member had a different view of it.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0249                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PORTER pointed  out that if a  school district has                                                               
the  ability to  negotiate a  higher level  for a  specific need,                                                               
this wouldn't preclude  that from happening.  He  said the intent                                                               
of "the whole operation" is to save the district some money.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE concurred  regarding  whatever negotiated  agreement                                                               
exists  for that  particular  district.   He  then stated,  "What                                                               
we're leaving  unsaid is,  we want to  prevent the  very unlikely                                                               
possibility that  someone would use  this as some 'good  old boy'                                                               
network  to  perhaps  unfairly reward  someone  by  letting  them                                                               
retire and  then go  back to  work the next  day at  their higher                                                               
salary."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 0351                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STEVENS  remarked that  this might  not lead  to a                                                               
lot of  new hires, but he  knows several teachers who  have taken                                                               
the RIP  option and  are now teaching  Outside; this  would allow                                                               
them the opportunity  to return to Alaska [to  teach], which they                                                               
hadn't  had  before.   He  added  that  there  will always  be  a                                                               
substantial  savings just  because  districts won't  have to  pay                                                               
retirement or insurance benefits.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE emphasized  that it  doesn't solve  all the  teacher                                                               
recruitment  problems  but is  another  tool  that districts  may                                                               
choose to use.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0428                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN pointed out  that although members have been                                                               
hearing about the  importance of mentoring, that  won't be needed                                                               
for these experienced  teachers.  In fact, they would  add to the                                                               
mentoring pool.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE agreed they might, indeed, be hired as mentors.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0451                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  asked whether there  was any objection  to Amendment                                                               
2.  There being no objection, Amendment 2 was adopted.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 0500                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PORTER moved to report  HB 416, as amended, out of                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations and  the accompanying                                                               
fiscal notes.  There being  no objection, CSHB 416(EDU) was moved                                                               
out of the House Special Committee on Education.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
BRIEFING  BY   THE  U.S.  DEPARTMENT  OF   EDUCATION  AND  ALASKA                                                             
DEPARTMENT OF  EDUCATION AND EARLY  DEVELOPMENT ON THE  "NO CHILD                                                             
LEFT BEHIND ACT"                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE announced  the next order of business,  a briefing by                                                               
the U.S. Department of Education  (DOE) and the Alaska Department                                                               
of Education  and Early Development  (EED) on the "No  Child Left                                                               
Behind Act [of 2001"].  [The  official title of this federal Act,                                                               
passed   as  House   Resolution  1   (H.R.  1),   is  the   "2001                                                               
Reauthorization  of the  Elementary and  Secondary Education  Act                                                               
(ESEA)."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 0616                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SUSAN  SCLAFANI,  Ph.D.,  Counselor  to  the  U.S.  Secretary  of                                                               
Education, U.S.  Department of Education, told  listeners she was                                                               
delighted to visit Alaska and  speak with committee members.  She                                                               
offered to begin  with a brief overview of the  rationale for the                                                               
[federal Act].  She suggested members  would find the [Act] to be                                                               
a coherent one,  based on four major principles set  forth by the                                                               
U.S. President.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI  said the  first  principle  is accountability  for                                                               
results, which  Alaska has been  addressing in  its school-reform                                                               
efforts.   This  [Act] is  different in  that it  calls for  each                                                               
state to have  - in addition to rigorous  content and performance                                                               
standards  -  annual  assessment  for children  in  grades  three                                                               
through eight in mathematics, reading, and language arts.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI noted  that  the  [Act] also  adds  science to  the                                                               
assessment   in   2007,   although  this   assessment   is   only                                                               
administered once  each in elementary school,  middle school, and                                                               
high school.   This  is founded  on the  concern of  Congress for                                                               
national security  issues that  arise when looking  at a  lack of                                                               
young  people  prepared for  and  interested  in careers  in  the                                                               
sciences.  She  said the U.S. is dependent on  people coming into                                                               
the country  on "H-1B" visas  to the  existing job corps.   There                                                               
are areas  of national government  in which the U.S.  cannot hire                                                               
non-citizens, however,  because of  security and  defense issues.                                                               
She remarked, "We believe that,  frankly, in states that have not                                                               
had a focus  on science already in their own  programs, that this                                                               
will help put science back on the agenda."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI explained that H.R. 1  also calls for the results of                                                               
student  achievement  to be  made  public;  this allows  parents,                                                               
community members,  and legislators to  be aware of  the progress                                                               
of each school and to take  appropriate action.  The reports will                                                               
look  at   the  aggregated   results  of   schools  as   well  as                                                               
disaggregated results by subpopulation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  acknowledged this as  an area in  which legislators                                                               
will  want  to  have  more discussion;  Alaska  has  some  unique                                                               
challenges in that arena.  The  decision by Congress was that the                                                               
goal, within 12  years, is that all children who  are tested will                                                               
reach the proficiency standard set by  the state.  She added that                                                               
she'd mentioned  100 percent of  the students tested  because the                                                               
[Act]  requires testing  of 95  percent  of every  subpopulation,                                                               
understanding  that  some  children with  cognitive  disabilities                                                               
might  not be  able to  take the  same assessment  as others  and                                                               
demonstrate proficiency at  the state level.   She continued, "We                                                               
want  to be  sure  that the  progress of  all  children is  being                                                               
monitored  and  that  we  have  high standards  for  all  of  our                                                               
children."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1004                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI turned  attention  to the  second principle,  local                                                               
control and flexibility.  She  offered that the clear evidence to                                                               
[the  U.S.  Department  of  Education (DOE)]  is  that  naming  a                                                               
specific  program  to  implement   across  the  nation  does  not                                                               
recognize the diversity of our  country.  Alaska's challenges are                                                               
very  different  from  those of  New  Jersey;  likewise,  Maine's                                                               
challenges  are very  different from  California's.   It has  not                                                               
been   effective   in   the  past   to   [mandate   a   program's                                                               
implementation  from Washington,  D.C.]  she  noted.   Class-size                                                               
reduction is  an example,  she said;  it has  been included  in a                                                               
block grant for teacher quality.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  explained that class-size reduction  does little to                                                               
help states  without a teacher  supply to reduce class  size; she                                                               
also  mentioned  the  lack  of   facilities  in  which  to  house                                                               
additional  classrooms.    However, the  [earlier]  mandate  from                                                               
Washington, D.C., was  that funds were only given  to states that                                                               
implemented  class-size  reduction  as mandated  by  the  federal                                                               
government.     Congress  has  agreed  that   these  funds,  plus                                                               
Eisenhower  [Professional  Development  State Grants]  funds,  as                                                               
well as additional funding will  be rolled into a Teacher Quality                                                               
grant that gives states flexibility  regarding the improvement of                                                               
quality in the  teaching force and principals.  In  addition is a                                                               
$10-million  competitive grant  program  for the  identification,                                                               
training, and retention of principals.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI mentioned  that the quality of the  principal is key                                                               
to the  quality of  the school.   She added, "But  we want  to be                                                               
sure that you  have the flexibility to do that."   She noted that                                                               
states  also have  the flexibility  in  H.R. 1  to use  up to  50                                                               
percent of  funds from any title,  except Title I funds,  for any                                                               
appropriate  [Elementary  and  Secondary  Education  Act]  (ESEA)                                                               
purpose.    This  gives  states the  flexibility  to  move  money                                                               
around.   For example,  if Safe and  Drug-Free Schools  (SDFS) is                                                               
not a large concern,  up to 50 percent of SDFS  money can be used                                                               
in higher priority areas.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI  explained  that  also   part  of  H.R.  1  is  the                                                               
consolidation of  some smaller,  more specific programs  into the                                                               
larger block  grant.  She  noted that this consolidation  did not                                                               
go as far  as she had hoped.   The overall number  of programs in                                                               
ESEA  was reduced  from 55  to 45;  she indicated  this reduction                                                               
effort would continue.  She  explained that one of the challenges                                                               
through the legislative  process is that there  are set-asides in                                                               
the bill; about  $275 million is specified  for particular school                                                               
districts or  universities.  She  noted that attempts  to curtail                                                               
these set-asides have been somewhat successful.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1239                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI   moved  to  the   third  principle  in   the  ESEA                                                               
legislation,  to  ensure  that  schools,  school  districts,  and                                                               
states  are   making  use  of  existing   research  on  effective                                                               
practice.   She explained that  good research exists  is reading,                                                               
where 15 years of research  indicate the appropriate way to teach                                                               
children to  read in English.   This  is a challenge  for Alaska,                                                               
she  added;  the research  does  not  exist  for how  to  develop                                                               
language proficiency  in other  languages.   Enough is  now known                                                               
about teaching reading  in English that teachers  should be using                                                               
those proven strategies.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1330                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI stated  that in  addition  to Title  I and  Teacher                                                               
Quality funds  available, a separate grant  of approximately $900                                                               
billion  exists;  Alaska will  clearly  get  a portion  of  these                                                               
funds,   specifically   for    training   teachers   in   reading                                                               
[instruction] in  grades K-3.   These  grades are  the foundation                                                               
program  and critical  to children's  success.   She offered  the                                                               
belief  that many  children in  special  education simply  didn't                                                               
learn to  read in the early  grades.  A discrepancy  analysis for                                                               
the learning disabled means that  schools wait until children are                                                               
in the  third or fourth  grade, identify their achievement  to be                                                               
below their potential, and place  them in special education.  The                                                               
goal is to ensure that  [instruction] is done correctly the first                                                               
time, by having teachers well trained in strategies that work.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI  reported  that  states are  free  to  use  Teacher                                                               
Quality or  Title I funds  to work  with teachers in  grades four                                                               
through twelve  who are dealing  with children who did  not learn                                                               
to read  well the first  time.  It's a  challenge to do  it right                                                               
the first time, while recognizing  that children have gone beyond                                                               
that point  who [still  have not learned  to read].   Concomitant                                                               
with that,  she noted,  is the  question of  what should  be done                                                               
with early childhood education.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI said  she was  delighted  to hear  that Alaska  has                                                               
joined its  early-development program with the  education program                                                               
to allow a  clear articulation of what happens  to children prior                                                               
to  the pre-K-12  environment, as  well as  what happens  to them                                                               
later.  The  amount of $75 million competitive dollars  is in the                                                               
bill to  seek to set up  centers of excellence around  the nation                                                               
that deal with  how to create effective programming  - whether in                                                               
daycare,  Headstart, or  pre-kindergarten centers  in the  public                                                               
school  system -  that includes  the  early language  development                                                               
that  is so  critical to  later student  success.   She suggested                                                               
Alaska might  want to apply  for those funds  as it looks  at its                                                               
programs.  While  many urban and suburban districts  - along with                                                               
a few rural ones - will apply  for these funds, she said there is                                                               
a need  to talk about  what to do in  a state like  Alaska, where                                                               
geography and distance are issues.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 1585                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR.   SCLAFANI  explained   that  the   final  piece   on  proven                                                               
educational  methods   is  that   "scientifically  research-based                                                               
programming" appears  111 times in  this bill; this is  the first                                                               
time this has ever happened.  She said:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Congress has gotten the message  that we've got to move                                                                    
     away  from  religion  on  some  of  these  issues  into                                                                    
     science.  We  had to have the reading wars,  and now in                                                                    
     some places we have math wars.   And we have people who                                                                    
     believe  strongly in  one extreme  or the  other.   And                                                                    
     what we're saying is, let's  use the science to tell us                                                                    
     which  one helps  children learn.   It's  not what  you                                                                    
     believe  that  matters  -  it's  whether  children  are                                                                    
     learning that matters.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI explained  that throughout the Act, the  focus is on                                                               
children  and  what  is  happening  to  them.    Besides  teacher                                                               
training,  it looks  at recruitment  and  retention of  teachers.                                                               
She acknowledged  that this is a  major challenge in Alaska.   If                                                               
Alaska wishes  to try  different compensation  systems, retention                                                               
stipends,  or  other  ways of  drafting  contracts  to  encourage                                                               
teachers  to stay  beyond a  single  year, Alaska  will have  the                                                               
freedom  to  do  so,  she  said; money  is  available  for  this.                                                               
"Again, it's trying  to give you as much  flexibility as possible                                                               
to meet the specific needs," she added.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI turned  attention to  the fourth  principle of  the                                                               
bill,  expanded  choices for  parents.    This  will be  easy  to                                                               
implement in  Anchorage or Fairbanks, she  acknowledged, and very                                                               
difficult in more  remote areas.  She explained that  if a school                                                               
isn't  improving after  the first  year of  "school improvement,"                                                               
parents [whose children]  stay at that school have  the option of                                                               
funding for supplemental services.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  reported that Bill  Sanders (ph) at  the University                                                               
of Tennessee has  conducted a strong study over a  long period of                                                               
time  of the  results of  achievement testing,  through criteria-                                                               
referenced tests, in  the Tennessee schools.  Mr.  Sanders took a                                                               
matched set of third-grade students  who had the same achievement                                                               
and demographic  profiles.  He  then looked to see  what happened                                                               
to  the child  who had  three years  of excellent  teachers -  as                                                               
measured by his  or her ability to improve  student achievement -                                                               
and what  happened to the child  who had mediocre teachers.   Mr.                                                               
Sanders  found that  by  sixth grade,  the  group with  excellent                                                               
teachers were  50 to 70  percentile points ahead of  the children                                                               
with mediocre to poor teachers.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI summarized  that teacher  quality  is the  critical                                                               
issue.   It  is known  that  if a  child is  in an  instructional                                                               
program that is not meeting  his/her needs, help must be provided                                                               
to  that child  as soon  as possible.   "We  don't want  to allow                                                               
those deficiencies  to pile up  to the  point where the  child is                                                               
crippled," she said.  As  children are being prepared for today's                                                               
complex  society, they  will  need  problem-solving and  literacy                                                               
skills in order to be successful.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 2033                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI  noted  that supplemental  services  are  available                                                               
through ESEA  funds; they  need not  come solely  out of  Title I                                                               
funds, although  some money [from  Title I] must be  reserved for                                                               
this  purpose.   In places  where there  are not  community-based                                                               
organizations  or  a   private-sector  organization,  the  school                                                               
district can  provide supplemental services.   It is  a challenge                                                               
in  a  one-teacher   school  to  ask  that   teacher  to  provide                                                               
supplemental  services  to a  child  once  he/she has  failed  to                                                               
provide the  good service the first  time, she explained.   A way                                                               
will  need to  be  identified to  perhaps  do so-called  distance                                                               
learning for these children - something  to help them get back on                                                               
track  despite  inadequacies  at  the  school  level.    This  is                                                               
occurring while the  state and the district are  working with the                                                               
school   to   improve  its   quality.      The  opportunity   for                                                               
[supplemental  services]  is  included  because it  is  vital  to                                                               
provide options to children to  get the academic skills they will                                                               
need to be successful.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 2131                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  noted that  this is the  principle behind  the Act.                                                               
She  offered that  it  was  exciting to  see  how bipartisan  the                                                               
support for this  bill was; some compromises were  made along the                                                               
way,  but not  compromises to  the principles.   The  compromises                                                               
came in  how far  the choice  for parents  would go,  whether the                                                               
option was beyond  public schools and charter  schools to private                                                               
schools; Congress decided  not to do that.   The basic principles                                                               
were  intact throughout,  she offered.   The  leaderships of  the                                                               
[U.S.]  Senate and  the [U.S.]  House have  said this  experience                                                               
showed  them  what could  be  accomplished  by working  together;                                                               
their next target  is going to be early  childhood education, she                                                               
reported.  Early  investment [in education] is  far more critical                                                               
than remediation  later.   If first-graders  truly are  ready for                                                               
first grade  when they  arrive, an  enormous contribution  to the                                                               
learning of young people will have been made.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI   noted  that  her  conversations   with  education                                                               
personnel  in  Washington,  D.C.,   indicate  good  dialogue  has                                                               
occurred with  the Department of Education  and Early Development                                                               
(EED)  in Alaska.   Alaska's  reform programs  are moving  in the                                                               
right direction; there are going  to be some areas where, because                                                               
of the way the law is  written, there will need to be adjustment,                                                               
she  stated.    One  of  these  areas  is  the  issue  of  yearly                                                               
assessment using a combination of norm-referenced and criteria-                                                                 
referenced  tests; it  is going  to be  difficult to  demonstrate                                                               
that the children are being held  to the same standard every year                                                               
on the assessment of Alaska's state standards.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI  observed  that  it  is  difficult  for  any  norm-                                                               
referenced test to be aligned to  a state standard; by their very                                                               
nature they  are consensus documents representing  standards from                                                               
many states.  It won't give  Alaska the rigor it needs to measure                                                               
what  a child  has learned  from  one year  to the  next, and  to                                                               
predict how  to help  a child  succeed the  following year.   She                                                               
said, "That's  something that we're  working with  the department                                                               
on."   She  mentioned working  with [CTB/McGraw-Hill]  to conduct                                                               
alignment  studies to  determine whether  Alaska can  demonstrate                                                               
that.  She  offered that the psychometricians are  saying it will                                                               
be a major challenge to do so.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 2457                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI  said the  materials  submitted  by the  state  for                                                               
compliance with the  1994 agreement were being  reviewed; she was                                                               
unable to give members an  answer regarding the alignment already                                                               
demonstrated by  Alaska.  That  review will be juried  by experts                                                               
in the field, she noted.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  told members native-language assessments  will be a                                                               
major challenge  for Alaska.   She indicated DOE would  work with                                                               
the state  to see what can  be done; however, some  things cannot                                                               
be done.   One of the  critical pieces is ensuring  that English-                                                               
language  proficiency is  developing so  that children  can start                                                               
taking  assessments in  English  and have  them  be a  meaningful                                                               
measure of what  they have learned.  This will  be a challenge in                                                               
more remote areas, she acknowledged;  creating an assessment tool                                                               
in each  of the  [Alaska Native] languages  might be  more costly                                                               
than cost-effective.   This is  a continuing dialogue;  Alaska is                                                               
studying  the feasibility  of this,  and she  offered that  [DOE]                                                               
would review that.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 2750                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI pointed  out that waivers for  students with limited                                                               
English  proficiency (LEP)  are for  two or  three years  in many                                                               
states.  The reauthorization of ESEA  [by H.R. 1] reduces that to                                                               
a single  year.  This  does not mean  a waiver for  an individual                                                               
child could not be  for more than one year, but  as a policy, the                                                               
federal government is saying the  waiver is a single-year waiver.                                                               
This means  states will be allowed  to not test an  LEP child the                                                               
first  year  he/she  would  be eligible  for  assessment  if  the                                                               
committee at  the school determines  that the child  doesn't have                                                               
sufficient  English   proficiency  to  be  able   to  demonstrate                                                               
accurately his/her progress on that assessment.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  observed that  Alaska might have  less of  an issue                                                               
with immigrant  children coming into  the state than it  has with                                                               
children  who  are  already  here.     However,  there  might  be                                                               
immigrant children  entering the state  who have had  very little                                                               
or no  prior education; she noted  that this is a  major issue in                                                               
many border states.  She said,  "Clearly, if a child comes to you                                                               
with no prior  schooling and he's ten years old,  within a single                                                               
year you're hardly  going to get him to  the age-appropriate test                                                               
in English.  And we recognize that."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI stated  that  there is  some  flexibility, but  the                                                               
intent of  the law  needs to  be met  by assessing  every child's                                                               
performance so  that each child  can make progress in  English in                                                               
ways  that will  enable him/her  to continue  an education.   She                                                               
observed that  Alaska has  been working  on the  participation of                                                               
all  children  in the  assessment  system;  this  is one  of  the                                                               
requirements, that  LEP students  and students  with disabilities                                                               
are included.   She added, "What the  bill looks at is  how do we                                                               
compare the numbers  of students who are being  educated with the                                                               
number of students  who are being assessed."  She  noted that the                                                               
new law that will apply in  the 2005-2006 assessment calls for 95                                                               
percent of  the children in any  subpopulation to be part  of the                                                               
assessment system.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 2844                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI turned members' attention  to Alaska's rigorous work                                                               
on the high  school exit exam; like Texas, Alaska  will use these                                                               
as a criterion for graduation.   She acknowledged that challenges                                                               
with this  include the question  of holding  students accountable                                                               
for  what schools  might not  have provided  for them.   However,                                                               
allowing children to graduate without  the requisite skills gives                                                               
them the message that they  have accomplished something that they                                                               
actually  haven't,  whereas  the  "real  world"  will  tell  them                                                               
differently.   She said, "We  feel strongly that we  must assess,                                                               
but it's  up to each  and every  state to determine  whether that                                                               
assessment will be a criterion for high school graduation."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  reported that this  was tested in Texas  courts and                                                               
found  neither  discriminatory   against  minority  students  nor                                                               
unconstitutional.  She remarked:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     It's a heartbreaking challenge,  frankly, when you have                                                                    
     students  who have  gone through  our high  schools who                                                                    
     believe they've  done everything that they  should have                                                                    
     done,  who  have  received passing  grades  to  get  to                                                                    
     senior year,  and then discover that  they're unable to                                                                    
     graduate because they're unable  to pass the assessment                                                                    
     of skills.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI said  this  is  left for  Alaska  to  make a  final                                                               
determination on.  Multiple opportunities  to take the assessment                                                               
are important.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 3040                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI  offered  her  final  point,  that  Alaska's  small                                                               
[population]  size will  be a  challenge both  for reporting  and                                                               
using   for   accountability   the   adequate   yearly   progress                                                               
requirements in  the new law.   Alaska has been asked  to come up                                                               
with  suggestions  for how  to  hold  small schools  accountable.                                                               
Clearly, if  asterisks are  all that  the report  furnishes, that                                                               
does not  tell anyone anything  about the quality of  the school.                                                               
Yet there  must be  ways to  evaluate that  school to  know where                                                               
children are being  underserved.  She noted that  [DOE] will work                                                               
with  Alaska on  that.   In schools  with enough  children to  be                                                               
statistically  significant without  identifying  children by  the                                                               
percentages that  are on the  reports, Alaska should  report that                                                               
information.   Where this is  impossible, other means  of holding                                                               
schools accountable will  need to be identified.   She offered to                                                               
answer questions.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 3150                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STEVENS  thanked Dr. Sclafani for  the overview of                                                               
the Act.   He noted  his interest in  knowing the schedule  for a                                                               
state to apply for these grants.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  replied that  the formula grants  will come  out on                                                               
July 1; Alaska will  be making decisions as a state  as to how to                                                               
distribute  those funds  to local  districts.   She offered  that                                                               
"Reading First"  is a good  example; reading academies  are being                                                               
offered for  states to attend  so that states  understand exactly                                                               
what will  be required  in that  bill.   She noted  that Alaska's                                                               
Reading  First grant  will be  $2.15 million  - accessible  to be                                                               
used partly  from the state  level, but primarily  distributed to                                                               
school districts.  Alaska will  need to use a competitive process                                                               
with school  districts to make  sure that the state  has reviewed                                                               
the plans.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  said this is  akin to what  the state must  do with                                                               
the [U.S.  DOE]; the money is  the state's, but DOE  must approve                                                               
the plan  to ensure  that it is  a researched-based  program that                                                               
will  reach the  correct ends.   Other  grant opportunities  will                                                               
come online,  but the  majority of the  funding goes  directly to                                                               
the  state  and isn't  competitive.    She mentioned  "technology                                                               
dollars" that were competitively  granted from Washington [D.C.];                                                               
this was deemed  to be unfair.  Consequently, money  was added to                                                               
that,  and a  technology grant  is  now available  at each  state                                                               
level.   Each state must  now determine how to  disseminate those                                                               
monies.   In many  cases, the  funds must be  used to  target the                                                               
districts  most  in  need.   Moreover,  district  plans  must  be                                                               
approved to  ensure that the state  knows the money will  be well                                                               
spent.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  said the  same has  been done  with what  was Title                                                               
VII, the funds  for language-minority children.   Those funds are                                                               
now distributed  to states based  on the percentage  of language-                                                               
minority children  in each  state; states  then determine  how to                                                               
get these funds  to individual districts, and  the districts most                                                               
in need are again a priority.  She said:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     What  you'll  find in  this  bill  is the  dollars  are                                                                    
     targeted as  never before.   We've removed some  of the                                                                    
     hold-harmless  provisions  that  had been  in  previous                                                                    
     bills that  had kept Title I,  particularly, focused on                                                                    
     the states  with fewer  children than  they had  in the                                                                    
     past, because we didn't want  them to have to deal with                                                                    
     lower funding.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  explained that this  Congress has said  the dollars                                                               
must   follow   the  children.      Money   is  now   given   out                                                               
proportionally,   distributed  based   on   the  populations   of                                                               
children.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 3550                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI explained  that Teacher Quality grants  will come to                                                               
Alaska as a lump sum; this is  $13.6 million.  Part of this money                                                               
remains  at   the  state  level  to   create  statewide  training                                                               
programs,  and  the  rest  will  go  to  schools.    Math-science                                                               
partnership  dollars are  available in  the bill.   The  U.S. DOE                                                               
received  $12.5  million,  and the  National  Science  Foundation                                                               
received  $160 million;  they are  working  together and  talking                                                               
about  co-funding.    She  stated  that  the  priorities  include                                                               
improving  the  quality  of  teacher   preparation  in  math  and                                                               
science; it  requires that states create  partnerships with state                                                               
departments  of education  and with  colleges of  arts, sciences,                                                               
engineering,  and  education  to  ensure  that  people  have  the                                                               
critical background in mathematics and science.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI relayed  that a small grant is also  being funded to                                                               
help states look  at the fact that a single  salary schedule will                                                               
not attract  math, science, and technology  people into teaching.                                                               
Young people  are able to  go to  work for large  corporations at                                                               
$50,000  a year,  while a  school district  is offering  $32,000;                                                               
these are Lower  48 figures.  It  is hard for a person  to not go                                                               
where the money  is.  She said, "We need  to start thinking about                                                               
12-month  contracts;  we  need to  start  thinking  about  higher                                                               
salaries; we  need to  start being  more creative  in recognizing                                                               
that the  law of supply  and demand  works in education  the same                                                               
way it does everywhere else."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 3749                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  pointed out that initial  meetings [regarding math-                                                               
science partnership funds] will take  place in March.  Frequently                                                               
asked questions and the answers  will be posted on the [Internet]                                                               
so  people  who  cannot  attend   are  not  disadvantaged.    She                                                               
expressed her belief  that those proposals are due at  the end of                                                               
April;  they will  be  funded  by August  and  available for  the                                                               
following school year.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 3800                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STEVENS  expressed his  hope that EED  would bring                                                               
the House Special Committee on  Education "into the loop" so that                                                               
members are aware of the plans and how these funds will be used.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN  thanked Dr.  Sclafani for  her candor.   He                                                               
turned attention  to the  issue of an  extended school  year that                                                               
would  enable  the state  to  justify  increasing salaries.    He                                                               
concurred that  teacher quality is  one of the biggest  issues in                                                               
education, yet  noted that  Alaska has  a difficult  time getting                                                               
any  kind   of  qualified   teachers,  let   alone  high-quality,                                                               
qualified teachers.   He  asked:  If  Alaska finds  more teachers                                                               
but they leave after several years,  or if these teachers are not                                                               
producing the  expected student outcomes, what  effect will these                                                               
factors have on the [accountability] component of H.R. 1?                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI responded  that Alaska has already been  a leader in                                                               
distance learning,  but will  likely need  to create  more online                                                               
opportunities for  young people so  they aren't held back.   This                                                               
will  enable  less-qualified  teachers   to  be  facilitators  of                                                               
learning that is provided by people with greater expertise.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI acknowledged  Alaska's  challenges  of weather  and                                                               
terrain, but said  this is an area in which  Alaska might want to                                                               
spend some technology dollars or  perhaps move some other dollars                                                               
in.    Other  states  experience  similar  problems  in  isolated                                                               
communities.     She  remarked,   "None  of   us  want   a  large                                                               
bureaucracy, but  we've got  to have  sufficient capacity  in our                                                               
state departments of  education to go out and  assist the schools                                                               
and the  school districts  that need  our assistance."   Distance                                                               
education   is  one   opportunity  to   address  this,   such  as                                                               
television-delivered instruction  or use of a  CD-ROM rather than                                                               
a telecommunications link.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  acknowledged that while she  supports strategies to                                                               
attract more  math and  science people  to education,  she doubts                                                               
there will ever be as  many certified, qualified math and science                                                               
teachers in remote areas of the  country to meet the need.  Other                                                               
strategies  need  to  be  sought such  as  "master  teachers"  to                                                               
augment  the education,  using teachers  present as  facilitators                                                               
for instruction.  She said,  "And that's, again, why we're saying                                                               
we'll  work  with you  on  how  to  hold accountable  your  small                                                               
schools,  because those  are the  schools in  which you  have the                                                               
greatest challenge of highly qualified teachers."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 4229                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN  brought attention  to the  important factor                                                               
of motivation.   He recounted that  some of his teachers  were so                                                               
motivating that he can still picture  them and some of the things                                                               
they taught.   He asked how motivation is being  addressed in the                                                               
Lower 48.   "Do you  have any kind of  a magic bullet  that would                                                               
help us get teachers motivated as well as qualified?" he asked.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI replied  that there  are some  programs, but  noted                                                               
that  this is  a  challenge  of selection  as  well as  training.                                                               
Teachers  must  be  selected  for   some  of  these  motivational                                                               
characteristics; she  expressed uncertainty that everyone  can be                                                               
turned  into a  motivator who  might not  possess those  personal                                                               
strengths to  begin with.   Training programs  do talk  about the                                                               
impact of teachers' responses to  students and how critical these                                                               
responses  are to  student success.   There  is a  program called                                                               
Teacher  Expectation/Student Achievement  that talks  to teachers                                                               
about how  critical their actions  are regarding  positive versus                                                               
negative responses.  She reiterated  that motivation is partially                                                               
a  selection  issue.    This  selection  is  difficult  when  few                                                               
candidates are available.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 4420                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE  noted  that Dr.  Sclafani  had  mentioned  distance                                                               
education  several   times.    He   asked  her   about  statewide                                                               
[correspondence]  schools   offering  home-school   programs  and                                                               
whether these might offer the choice option she'd mentioned.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI  answered,  "As  long   as  they're  public  school                                                               
charters, they can."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DYSON remarked that  he was delighted Dr. Sclafani                                                               
was here and  thanked her for her work.   He observed that Alaska                                                               
has done the first rounds  of assessment and that the legislature                                                               
has  before it  legislation that  will  delay for  two years  the                                                               
[school   designations]  implementation.      He  expressed   his                                                               
understanding that  Title I  funds for  failing schools  would be                                                               
made  available  to  parents  to  seek  supplemental  help.    He                                                               
wondered  if delaying  the school  [designations] would  preclude                                                               
parents' access to those Title I funds.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  replied that  this would be  a dilemma  for Alaska.                                                               
She offered that  Alaska is working on a timeline  under a waiver                                                               
that delineates when  things need to be done.   However, she said                                                               
she believes  the identification  of schools is  not specifically                                                               
mentioned in this.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 4550                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ED  McLAIN, Ph.D.,  Deputy Commissioner  of Education,  Office of                                                               
the Commissioner,  Department of Education and  Early Development                                                               
(EED), expressed  his understanding that EED  is not anticipating                                                               
delaying the Title  I designations.  That  process will continue.                                                               
Some schools  are already in  that [school  improvement] process.                                                               
He noted  that EED has  been very  clear with these  schools that                                                               
whatever kind of  delay might happen with  the state designations                                                               
will not affect the Title I process.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 02-9, SIDE B                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
DR. McLAIN  offered that  the [challenge] is  to mesh  the larger                                                               
accountability system with  [the Title I] system  to avoid having                                                               
two separate systems.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI  added   that  the  2005  deadline   for  a  single                                                               
accountability  system for  the entire  state means  that if  the                                                               
system  is brought  online in  three years,  the state  will meet                                                               
that timeline.   In response  to a request for  clarification, he                                                               
added,  "If  a school  is  in  ...  [the]  first year  of  school                                                               
improvement  this year,  then next  fall those  parents have  the                                                               
option  of requesting  supplemental  services if  they remain  at                                                               
that school."                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DYSON  asked Dr.  McLain if  the request  to delay                                                               
the  [designations]  does  not  run  contrary  to  the  [Title  I                                                               
provision for supplemental services].                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DR. McLAIN replied, "Absolutely not.  That will continue."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DYSON said, "Respectfully,  it sounds like double-                                                               
talk to me.   You're saying, 'Don't put the  labels on,' and then                                                               
you say you are.  And I don't get it."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 4510                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI explained  that in  1994  the ESEA  reauthorization                                                               
said  that  for  Title  I   schools,  these  categories  must  be                                                               
established.    The new  legislation  [H.R.  1] calls  for  these                                                               
categories  to be  extended to  all schools.   The  difference in                                                               
timelines, she  noted, is  that Alaska  already has  criteria for                                                               
Title  I schools  and these  schools already  have designated  as                                                               
needing  school improvement  or not.   That  process is  ongoing.                                                               
The  greater process  of identifying  or labeling  schools across                                                               
the  state,  whether  Title  I  or  not,  is  required  by  2005.                                                               
Alaska's  putting the  [designations]  in place  in three  years'                                                               
time will meet that timeline.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DYSON asked  whether there really are  two sets of                                                               
[designations].                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  answered, "At  this time  you have  two sets.   And                                                               
what we want is, by 2005, you'll have one set."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 4433                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI,  in response  to  a  question from  Senator  Davis                                                               
regarding what Alaska's waivers  from the 1994 reauthorization of                                                               
ESEA do,  explained that the first  thing is that Alaska  has not                                                               
demonstrated that its system is  aligned.  This is the submission                                                               
currently being  reviewed.  Alaska  must demonstrate that  it not                                                               
only  has rigorous  academic standards,  but also  has identified                                                               
performance levels for  each child on that set  of standards that                                                               
shows what is basic, proficient, or advanced.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI,  in response  to  a  request from  Senator  Davis,                                                               
clarified that  the 1994 reauthorization  includes [designations]                                                               
for strictly  Title I schools.   She added that  another question                                                               
is  whether Alaska's  assessment is  aligned to  those standards;                                                               
this submission was  just sent in.  This  submission included the                                                               
technical  manuals   for  the   assessments,  the   studies  that                                                               
demonstrate  whether  it  is in  alignment,  and  the  corrective                                                               
measures taken for those pieces not found in alignment.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 4310                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DAVIS noted  that Dr.  Sclafani had  mentioned that  the                                                               
funds would  go directly to the  states, and that   a portion can                                                               
be kept  by [EED].   She asked if  there is  a cap on  the amount                                                               
allowed  to be  kept  by [EED]  for  administrative services  and                                                               
programs.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI explained  that  administrative  fees are  separate                                                               
from the  funds that can  be kept by  the state to  run statewide                                                               
programs.   She  noted  that these  percentages  differ, but  the                                                               
administrative percentage is  2 to 5 percent,  depending upon the                                                               
title.  In addition,  some funds allow the state to  keep up to 5                                                               
percent, for example, on Teacher  Quality grants to run statewide                                                               
programs; the  rest would  be distributed to  schools.   In other                                                               
cases, the  state can keep  15 percent to run  statewide programs                                                               
or  award grants  on  a competitive  basis.   The  administrative                                                               
dollars are  separate from the  state's flexibility to  keep some                                                               
of the money at the state level to do statewide programming.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DAVIS offered  that if  Alaska does  not have  statewide                                                               
programs in place, then the  money received can be distributed to                                                               
school districts.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 4137                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI said that is if  Alaska determines it doesn't need a                                                               
statewide  program.   For example,  in Reading  First, the  state                                                               
might decide  it doesn't make  sense to ask each  school district                                                               
to develop  its own  training program  for teachers,  but instead                                                               
might  use  some of  these  funds  to  create a  statewide  model                                                               
program  and  then say  to  local  districts  that this  is  what                                                               
teachers need  to be  trained with;  then teachers  can implement                                                               
this  training in  a district.    The rest  of the  money is  the                                                               
[district's] to be used for  additional training, to train all of                                                               
its teachers  or [develop] other  ways to target the  children in                                                               
early grades, through intervention.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI,  in response  to  a  question from  Senator  Davis                                                               
regarding  principal  training,   reported  that  Alaska's  Title                                                               
II/Teacher Quality  funds are for teacher  and principal quality.                                                               
Additionally,  there is  a $10  million principal-training  grant                                                               
that Alaska  can apply for to  look at how Alaska  might create a                                                               
recruitment  program,  a  training   program,  or  a  preparation                                                               
program for principals.  She noted  that there is a great deal of                                                               
flexibility in this bill.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 3956                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PORTER asked  about  a mechanism  for parents  to                                                               
determine  that   their  child   is  attending  a   school  that,                                                               
unfortunately, qualifies for them to seek supplemental service.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  acknowledged that  this is a  challenge.   It means                                                               
Alaska will have  to have its assessment results  back before the                                                               
start  of the  next  school year  so that  time  is available  to                                                               
notify  parents  of this  option  at  any low-performing  school.                                                               
Both  the  public-school-choice   option  and  the  supplemental-                                                               
services  option  would  be  available to  these  parents.    The                                                               
public-school-choice option  includes the challenge  of providing                                                               
transportation.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI recounted  that  having worked  in  a large  school                                                               
district,  she  understands  that creating  bus  schedules  takes                                                               
time, for  example.   If a school  district discovers  three days                                                               
before school starts that students  will have be transported, the                                                               
district will have  great difficulty doing so.   The earlier that                                                               
assessment results  can be received  - to make  the determination                                                               
that a  school is in  "school improvement" and to  inform parents                                                               
that they  have the option and  must respond by a  deadline - the                                                               
more  efficiently the  transportation services  can be  arranged.                                                               
That  might  mean  working  with the  assessment  vendor  to  get                                                               
results back more quickly.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DAVIS  clarified that Dr.  Sclafani was speaking  only of                                                               
Title I schools.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI agreed.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 3755                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PORTER  offered  that   the  committee  would  be                                                               
interested in finding out the plan for parental notification.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR.   McLAIN  explained   that  EED   has  been   discussing  the                                                               
[assessment-return] date with the test  vendors.  The vendors are                                                               
aware  of this  bill; they  would like  to spread  the tests  out                                                               
throughout the  school year so  that not  all 50 states  say they                                                               
need these results  by the beginning of the school  year.  Alaska                                                               
has been  discussing with the  vendors the possibility  of moving                                                               
some of  the testing to an  earlier date so the  turnaround would                                                               
be  earlier.   He noted  that  the confusion  brought up  earlier                                                               
regarding Title I versus other schools  is an issue that needs to                                                               
be communicated.   He  observed that those  sorts of  details are                                                               
behind the request for the delay.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 3644                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   BUNDE  noted   that  the   turnaround  time   is  already                                                               
frustrating  because  the sooner  the  feedback,  the better  the                                                               
learning  opportunity.   He suggested  this might  help in  other                                                               
ways.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  brought up another  critical issue, the  quality of                                                               
data-management systems in the states.   Only six to eight states                                                               
have  a   robust  student  information  management   system,  she                                                               
reported.   Part of having this  rich data is getting  it back to                                                               
the people  who can  use it  - the teachers  and principals  - to                                                               
revise programming and look at  teacher strengths and weaknesses.                                                               
Those teachers who are strong  in teaching certain objectives can                                                               
work with those who aren't.   This will also help to identify the                                                               
professional-development needs  of a school.   For example,  if a                                                               
school is in school improvement, it  must spend 10 percent of its                                                               
dollars on professional  development.  But if  schools don't know                                                               
what  they  need, the  money  spent  on professional  development                                                               
won't be well spent.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI explained  that [DOE] is trying to  assist states in                                                               
identifying  what   components  are   critical  to   their  data-                                                               
management  systems.   The other  part of  this issue  is how  to                                                               
train people  at the schools  to be  able to interface  with that                                                               
data-management system  so that  the data  entered at  the school                                                               
level is accurate  and gets to the state level,  in order for the                                                               
state  to make  decisions about  what is  working.   She reported                                                               
that state departments, in general,  have few people who can help                                                               
do  this training  and  development.   So  while  [DOE] can  help                                                               
Alaska to  identify the appropriate components,  Alaska will need                                                               
personnel in  EED who can teach  people at the sites  to interact                                                               
with the system.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 3403                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN  referred to  Dr. Sclafani's  comments about                                                               
the asterisks.   He noted that Alaska has  a transient population                                                               
and  children who  suffer from  Fetal Alcohol  Syndrome (FAS)  or                                                               
physical abuse.   Those  factors would skew  the ability  of that                                                               
school system  to improve, he  offered.  He mentioned  schools in                                                               
his district  with a  very high  turnover rate.   He asked  how a                                                               
federal  system would  be able  to determine  whether an  Alaskan                                                               
school  or  school district  is  not  performing adequately  when                                                               
Alaska has, perhaps, unusual problems.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 3229                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  explained that  the mobility  problem is  common in                                                               
larger cities as  well.  The law has said  that students who have                                                               
been  in the  school for  a year  shall be  measured.   She said,                                                               
"Now, part of  me as an educator is concerned  about that because                                                               
I don't want  people to say, 'Oh, well,  these transient children                                                               
won't be measured;  therefore, we won't worry about  them.'"  The                                                               
law does  recognize that schools  cannot be held  accountable for                                                               
children they have  not had an opportunity to educate.   This may                                                               
exacerbate the small  school issue, she said.  If  one looks only                                                               
at  the stable  students  in  a small  school,  the numbers  will                                                               
become  even  smaller.   As  this  information is  disaggregated,                                                               
asterisks will result.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI clarified,  "What I was saying is not  that we don't                                                               
want asterisks;  we recognize  that statistical  significance and                                                               
the   privacy  requirements   will  mean   that  there   will  be                                                               
asterisks."  She  noted that what [DOE] wants from  EED is how it                                                               
will  measure the  quality of  those schools  when the  objective                                                               
data cannot be used.  Can the  state department go in and look at                                                               
the individual children  in that school without  the data's being                                                               
publicized,  but  discussing  what  has  happened  to  individual                                                               
children to  see what  the school  has been able  to do  with the                                                               
children it serves?  She said:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     We recognize  that challenge,  and ...  I hope  that as                                                                    
     we're working  that we don't  see as I've seen  in some                                                                    
     large,  urban districts  people say,  as they  once did                                                                    
     with students with disabilities,  "Oh, they're not part                                                                    
     of the  accountability system; don't worry  about them.                                                                    
     Focus on the ones who are."                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE offered  that Alaska is a bit unique  in that the law                                                               
requires a  school to be built  for as few as  ten students; that                                                               
has been  increased from  eight students.   Alaska  has 20  or 30                                                               
schools  with  twenty  or  fewer students,  he  explained.    The                                                               
privacy  issue  is  going  to require  that  [all  the  published                                                               
reports] will contain asterisks.   He expressed his understanding                                                               
that it will  take a waiver from the federal  requirement or that                                                               
[EED] will have to be very  creative in finding a way to identify                                                               
those students without [revealing their identities].                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  confirmed that  Chair Bunde  was correct  about the                                                               
asterisks.  She explained that  the waiver will be needed because                                                               
the data  cannot be published.   She  noted that [DOE]  wants the                                                               
state to create a plan, given  that this option does not work, to                                                               
determine  the quality  of those  small  schools.   How will  the                                                               
state   determine    which   schools    need   school-improvement                                                               
assistance?    Which  schools  need an  improvement  plan?    She                                                               
explained that  restructuring is called  for in the  final option                                                               
if schools  do not  improve.  However,  Alaska's problem  is that                                                               
[many  schools]  restaff   every  year.    She   noted  that  the                                                               
restructuring  is not  a good  option  for Alaska  because it  is                                                               
exactly the  problem.  That is  the job for [EED]  - to determine                                                               
which schools are doing a good job and which schools need help.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 2905                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PORTER  asked if  he'd understood Dr.  Sclafani to                                                               
say  that  within the  requirement  to  test  95 percent  of  100                                                               
percent of  the students,  students who  have transferred  into a                                                               
district within  that year  wouldn't be counted  as part  of that                                                               
100 percent.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR SCLAFANI indicated these  [recently transferred] students will                                                               
be  counted  for  that  provision, but  their  results  will  not                                                               
determine the  accountability status of  that school.   They will                                                               
be assessed.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2835                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STEVENS asked  Dr. Sclafani  to elaborate  on the                                                               
centers for  excellence - what they  will do, whether they  are a                                                               
teacher in-service program or connected  to the universities, and                                                               
whether there will be credit available for teachers.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  reported that "Early  Reading First"  is attempting                                                               
to  set up  models for  the nation  to show  what works  in early                                                               
childhood education  and in different environments.   Between 100                                                               
and 125  programs will likely be  funded; an urban model  will be                                                               
important  that   perhaps  works  collaboratively   with  daycare                                                               
centers prior  to when children  enter the public  school system.                                                               
Rural models  will also be funded  to answer what a  good program                                                               
does  in  an  isolated  community,  to  work  with  the  existing                                                               
resources to ensure that children are well served.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  offered that these  models will seek to  answer how                                                               
staff  is trained  and funds  are  used to  commingle health  and                                                               
[social] services  funds and  education funds,  to ensure  that a                                                               
program  addresses  children's  medical challenges  that  will  -                                                               
unless there  is early intervention  - lead to  later educational                                                               
problems.  These  models will be established so  that when people                                                               
raise  a  specific problem,  DOE  can  point  them to  a  [model]                                                               
program that has similar issues.   It will be a matter of looking                                                               
at good programs that with  an infusion of additional dollars can                                                               
be excellent programs, and that can  be exemplars for the rest of                                                               
the country.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2635                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE  turned  attention   to  written  questions  he  had                                                               
received.  One  question notes that some  districts are currently                                                               
in  contract   negotiations  and  in  the   process  of  offering                                                               
contracts  for the  following school  year.   When can  districts                                                               
anticipate federal funds reaching the districts?                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  explained that  the monies will  come to  the state                                                               
for  Teacher Quality  and Title  I dollars  - for  programs where                                                               
there is  categorical funding - by  July 1.  The  state will then                                                               
determine how and  when those dollars will go to  districts.  The                                                               
state can start  planning now for how to allocate  those funds so                                                               
that school districts will know.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  asked Dr. McLain:   If the federal monies  arrive by                                                               
July 1, when  can local districts begin to  anticipate receipt of                                                               
these funds?                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. McLAIN  indicated passing  these funds on  to districts  is a                                                               
major focus  of the department.   He offered that  his experience                                                               
as a district person gives  him an understanding of [the district                                                               
perspective].   He noted  that he has  been having  daily contact                                                               
with superintendents on their need for expediency.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE asked  Dr. Sclafani  to expound  on the  options for                                                               
parents  of  children in  schools  found  deficient two  or  more                                                               
consecutive years.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 2344                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI replied  that the  law requires  that schools  make                                                               
adequate yearly  progress.  This  is a  system that the  state is                                                               
going  to put  into place.   It  requires that  the state  set an                                                               
initial bar  for performance and  say that anyone below  that bar                                                               
is in  need of improvement.   The bar is raised  two years later,                                                               
and then  every three  years after that,  moving toward  the 100-                                                               
percent   proficiency rate.  The  law also says that  schools can                                                               
be  held harmless  in a  sense -  they won't  be put  into school                                                               
improvement -  if they can  demonstrate adequate  yearly progress                                                               
in  moving their  population of  students and  each subpopulation                                                               
forward by the required amount.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI explained  that the  state will  set this  required                                                               
amount.  It  is basically looking at  where a school is  at.  For                                                               
example, if a  school has 20 percent of its  students passing the                                                               
exam, and  this school must  reach 100-percent proficiency  in 12                                                               
years, then the [percentage of  students passing the exam] should                                                               
go up  at least  8 percent.   On the other  hand, schools  do not                                                               
improve  by  stair  steps.     A  school  with  good  improvement                                                               
activities could  improve by  20 percent  one year;  the required                                                               
adequate yearly progress will change.   The state determines what                                                               
that adequate  yearly progress  requirement is.   Once  the state                                                               
has done this, consequences are required for Title I schools.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI  told the  committee  that  the  state is  free  to                                                               
include all schools in the  consequences, but federal monies only                                                               
apply to Title  I schools tied to  school-choice and supplemental                                                               
services.   A Title I  school that  has not made  adequate yearly                                                               
progress  two years  in a  row moves  into "school  improvement."                                                               
The first  year a  Title I  school is  in school  improvement, it                                                               
must  offer  "public  school  choice" to  parents.    The  school                                                               
district  must set  aside  20  percent of  its  Title I  funding,                                                               
though it  can be taken  from other  titles; 5 percent  is slated                                                               
for public school choice transportation,  and 5 percent is slated                                                               
for  supplemental   services  in   the  second  year   of  school                                                               
improvement.  These two amounts, based  on 5 percent of the Title                                                               
I funds, can  be supplemented by the remaining 10  percent if the                                                               
requests  are greater  than  can  be funded  with  the initial  5                                                               
percent.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  explained that once  that money is gone,  the state                                                               
is not required to continue to  provide those options.  The state                                                               
will need to develop a plan that  says those most at need will be                                                               
served first.   A  school in school  improvement might  offer the                                                               
option to  the lowest-achieving  students, for example,  as money                                                               
is  available.   A  school not  making  adequate yearly  progress                                                               
after  two  years  in  school improvement  will  then  move  into                                                               
"corrective action" in year five.   School-improvement plans must                                                               
be developed collaboratively with  the community, the school, the                                                               
school district, and any chosen outside experts.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI  reported that  if  the  planning  has not  made  a                                                               
difference,  a  list  of possible  corrective  actions  includes:                                                               
changing the curriculum,  because it is clearly  not working with                                                               
the students; changing some of  the instructional staff if it can                                                               
be  demonstrated  that students  in  a  particular class  with  a                                                               
particular  teacher   are  consistently  failing;   changing  the                                                               
leadership;  or  restructuring  the   program  by  spending  time                                                               
differently or putting more funds into professional development.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI explained  that there is a list  the school district                                                               
chooses  from.    If  a  school is  still  not  successful  after                                                               
corrective actions are taken in  two years, the school moves into                                                               
restructuring.   A school at  this point  has spent two  years of                                                               
inadequate  progress, two  years in  school improvement,  and two                                                               
years in corrective action; this  is the entire elementary career                                                               
of  a child.    This is  why the  supplemental  services and  the                                                               
public school choice are so critical.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1927                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE explained that Alaska  has a unique situation when it                                                               
comes  to  transportation  issues:   transportation  [to  another                                                               
school] isn't  an option in  Alaska.  Alaska does  have statewide                                                               
charter  schools,  however, that  in  many  cases offer  a  home-                                                               
schooling option.   He noted  that he understood Dr.  Sclafani to                                                               
say this would be acceptable as a choice.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  agreed, saying, "If they  can do a better  job, the                                                               
bottom line is what's going to help that child learn."                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1826                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DYSON said,  "I worry about my cynicism.   I think                                                               
...  what you're  talking about  is genius.   I  worry about  the                                                               
educational  establishment, or  portions  of it,  not wanting  to                                                               
have any schools  in that Title I improvement group  ... in order                                                               
to  preclude  parents  having  those choices."    He  noted  that                                                               
allowing parents to make choices will  put a huge pressure on the                                                               
system because  people "vote  with their  feet."   He said  he is                                                               
worried  about the  system's being  tilted  against giving  those                                                               
Title I  parents an  option.   He asked  Dr. Sclafani  to address                                                               
this.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  replied that the  only way the option  doesn't come                                                               
into play  is if the  school is making adequate  yearly progress,                                                               
which is  exactly the goal.   The only way educators  can keep it                                                               
from happening  is by making  the kind of progress  with students                                                               
that [DOE] wants them to make.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DYSON  countered, "But  ... they can  'paper whip'                                                               
that thing."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  replied, "I assume  you have monitoring  systems in                                                               
place  for your  assessments  ... and  consequences for  teachers                                                               
losing  certificates if  they, in  fact, cheat  on those  tests."                                                               
She  offered   her  opinion   that  people   understanding  those                                                               
consequences  will  not go  to  that  extreme, but  a  monitoring                                                               
system  must be  in  place.   Some states  have  a mechanism  for                                                               
looking at  each test for  excessive erasures and changes  - from                                                               
wrong answers  to right answers -  that trigger a visit  from the                                                               
state department to that school.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1619                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE returned  to the  written questions  and noted  that                                                               
someone wanted  more information  on what  qualifies a  school as                                                               
Title I and how many Title I schools are in Alaska.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DR.  McLAIN  relayed  that  the actual  number  was  not  readily                                                               
available, but offered  to get that figure.   Districts will make                                                               
a   determination    by   looking    at   poverty    rating   and                                                               
underachievement  in schools.    He estimated  that  in the  last                                                               
district  he   worked  in,  about   half  of  the   schools  were                                                               
[designated  Title I]  schools.   There  are 506  schools in  the                                                               
state, so if  the Kenai district is representative  of the state,                                                               
then approximately [250 would be Title I schools].                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  observed that Kenai  might have [a lower  number] of                                                               
Title I schools than other parts of the state.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DAVIS pointed  out that Anchorage has no  more than about                                                               
14 schools designated as Title I.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE asked  whether this [U.S.] administration  is open to                                                               
discussion of merit pay.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI replied,  "Absolutely.  In fact, it's  in the bill."                                                               
Under   Title   II,   Teacher   Quality,   states   can   develop                                                               
differentiated  compensation  systems,  merit  pay  systems,  and                                                               
whatever  will help  districts keep  the good  people it  has and                                                               
encourage other good  people to come in.  She  offered that it is                                                               
debilitating to good  teachers to know they are paid  the same as                                                               
people who don't  work as hard or who aren't  as effective.  That                                                               
is  one reason  teachers leave.    Studies have  shown that  more                                                               
teachers leave because of issues  in the working environment than                                                               
due to the money, she reported.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1308                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE asked whether the  federal government would be asking                                                               
the state to match funds to provide appropriate services.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI responded:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     There   is  still   the  maintenance   of  effort   and                                                                    
     comparability  requirements  in  this bill.    So,  you                                                                    
     can't do  less than you've  done before; you  can't cut                                                                    
     funding  for education  because  we've raised  funding.                                                                    
     And,  in fact,  when you  look at  it in  Title I,  for                                                                    
     example, you're going  to move from $32  million to $41                                                                    
     million this year.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI explained  that states  could not  subsequently cut                                                               
back  funding by  the amount  the federal  funding is  increased.                                                               
There are  no other specific  matching grants  required, although                                                               
the state  must maintain what  it has  been doing and  make these                                                               
supplemental funds [available] to focus  on the needs of the most                                                               
at-risk children.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  asked Dr.  Sclafani to  speak to  the accountability                                                               
requirement for an individual school district.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1150                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  responded that a  school district will  be required                                                               
to adhere to  the state accountability system.   School districts                                                               
with  schools that  are  in school  improvement  [status] can  be                                                               
labeled  -  if the  state  chooses  -  as  districts in  need  of                                                               
improvement,  if they  have a  specific number  or percentage  of                                                               
schools that are low-performing.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI noted  it is up to the state  to establish what that                                                               
looks like.  School districts  are responsible for the first line                                                               
of  assistance  to  the  schools.     When  a  school  goes  into                                                               
restructuring, if the  school district has been unable  to help a                                                               
school after all  this time, then the state needs  to step in and                                                               
take greater control of how  federal dollars are spent to improve                                                               
the quality of education for students.   It leaves the options to                                                               
the local district  and providing assistance as  needed, until it                                                               
becomes clear  that the local district  cannot provide sufficient                                                               
assistance; then the state is required to step in.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE asked Dr. Sclafani  whether, after her brief exposure                                                               
to  Alaska's  challenges,  she  envisions  statutory  or  funding                                                               
changes that the [legislature] might want to consider.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  replied, "Access to  your data  is going to  be one                                                               
area that you  are going to have  to work on."   She offered that                                                               
most other states  need this work as  well.  It would  be a shame                                                               
to conduct all this good assessment  and then not get the results                                                               
back  to the  schools so  they can  use it  to assist  individual                                                               
children as well as improve their school programs.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI added  that the other area is  Alaska's challenge in                                                               
improving teacher quality when recruitment  and retention is such                                                               
an issue.  She noted that the  committee had a good start on that                                                               
with its  dealing with [HB 416]  at the beginning of  the meeting                                                               
by  seeking  to  keep  the   good  people  who  might  have  been                                                               
interested  in   retiring  but  who  have   an  opportunity  with                                                               
additional  funding  to  come  back.     This  would  provide  an                                                               
opportunity to mentor new teachers  coming in.  She observed that                                                               
the challenge  is to bring  back only effective teachers  and not                                                               
continue to reward people who were ineffective.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 0913                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI noted that her third  suggestion would be to use the                                                               
additional special  education grant funding of  nearly $4 million                                                               
a year  for early intervention.   This might be  something Alaska                                                               
might  want  to  consider, particularly  because  [education  and                                                               
early   development]  have   been   brought   together  [in   one                                                               
department].   She  explained  that it  might  be appropriate  to                                                               
address emotional  and cognitive  problems by  early intervention                                                               
so that major problems are avoided  later.  The issue for Alaska,                                                               
she  said,   is  determining   how  to   apply  the   funds  most                                                               
strategically.   Finally,  she said,  Alaska has  put good  money                                                               
into its reform program; funding  will need to continue for this;                                                               
turning systems around is expensive.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN asked whether [H.R.  1] has any criteria for                                                               
when the state intervenes in a school district.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  replied that [intervention]  occurs when  the state                                                               
sees  a  long history  of  low  performance;  it is  the  state's                                                               
option.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE reported that EED  personnel have offered that Alaska                                                               
has  278  Title  I  schools.   He  noted  that  the  High  School                                                               
Graduation  Qualifying Exam  (HSGQE)  was developed  specifically                                                               
for Alaska.   He offered  his assumption  that this type  of test                                                               
would meet  federal qualifications  for an  assessment tool.   He                                                               
asked  if this  was the  type of  thing to  look for  in Alaska's                                                               
benchmark tests.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0621                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  replied yes.   She explained  that Alaska  needs to                                                               
first identify the things it wants  children to learn and be able                                                               
to do.   These  skills can  be broken down  into ranges,  but she                                                               
suggested that her experience as a  teacher has shown her that it                                                               
is more  effective to  be very clear,  grade by  grade, regarding                                                               
what is  expected of  children to know  and be able  to do.   The                                                               
assessment is  then built  accordingly.   She asked:   How  do we                                                               
ensure that we know,  if a child does well on  this test, that he                                                               
or  she  indeed  has  met the  requirements  of  the  established                                                               
standards?   That is one  challenge of working with  a commercial                                                               
norm-referenced  test; a  large  test-bank is  used, but  whether                                                               
those questions require  that the student must  know the standard                                                               
to answer the question [is uncertain].                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  said in many  cases, a  good reader can  figure out                                                               
the answer without  knowing the standard.  On the  other hand, is                                                               
it  sufficient to  know the  standard to  be able  to answer  the                                                               
question?  Both  of these sides must be looked  at.  Building the                                                               
assessment  according  to  the   standards  and  then  conducting                                                               
reliability  and  validity studies  which  assure  that the  test                                                               
measures whether  or not children  have learned the  standards is                                                               
what Alaska will need to do in every grade.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE offered that Alaska's  HSGQE took several years and a                                                               
good deal of  money to develop.   He asked if monies  in the bill                                                               
are available for developing these tests.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI answered  yes.  There is money for  each of the five                                                               
years  of the  Act.   She  noted that  she thinks  there is  $371                                                               
million  for the  nation;  there  is an  amount  below which  the                                                               
grants  will not  go to  assist  in the  development of  [tests].                                                               
This funding  will be  through 2005  for regular  assessments; it                                                               
will continue for the science assessments.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 0430                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE explained that some  Alaskan districts have asked for                                                               
a waiver from  the "Carnegie units."  He noted  that Dr. Sclafani                                                               
had referenced  assessment by grades.   These districts, however,                                                               
have a very effective assessment  program and are, in many cases,                                                               
very  successful  in educating  their  students.   He  asked  Dr.                                                               
Sclafani  whether  she foresees  a  problem  with districts  that                                                               
don't use the Carnegie unit.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI  offered that  this  legislation  gives states  the                                                               
flexibility  to  organize  or reorganize  schools  so  they  most                                                               
effectively  educate  children.    The Carnegie  unit  is  not  a                                                               
requirement.  She said:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     You can say,  "These are the things  that children need                                                                    
     to know."   And if they can demonstrate  that they know                                                                    
     them and  they can  move onto the  next grade  and it's                                                                    
     February, that's great.   That's what we need  to do so                                                                    
     that we  can help  children go  as far  and as  fast as                                                                    
     they can.  We don't  want to limit potential because we                                                                    
     say,  "Oh, no,  this is  third grade,  and you  have to                                                                    
     spend so  many hours  in third grade  in order  to meet                                                                    
     our requirement."                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  relayed that some  states have already  removed the                                                               
Carnegie unit as a requirement.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 0320                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. McLAIN returned to Chair  Bunde's remark about the exit exam.                                                               
He said  this issue is  being addressed with  the U.S. DOE.   One                                                               
issue has been  that Alaska intentionally focused the  HSGQE as a                                                               
"single-cut" test:   a student  needs to pass  it in order  to be                                                               
successful.   He  explained that  EED's reading  of the  Leave No                                                               
Child Behind  Act is that  there seems  to be a  requirement that                                                               
Alaska needs to  be able to designate whether a  student is at an                                                               
advanced, proficient, or basic [level].                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DR.  McLAIN  explained that  EED  will  be  working with  DOE  to                                                               
determine the degree  of flexibility is available to  use an exit                                                               
exam with a  single point [of passing] in a  system that seems to                                                               
imply that  there is a  way to say  a percentage of  students are                                                               
advanced, proficient,  or basic.   He noted that while  all agree                                                               
the goal is the same, this kind  of detail - using one tool for a                                                               
slightly  different   purpose  -   is  a  challenge   that  EED's                                                               
assessment personnel have been working on with DOE.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 0204                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. McLAIN turned attention to  the Carnegie unit, noting that he                                                               
would  be addressing  this with  Dr. Sclafani  during her  visit.                                                               
The  department  was  supportive  of requests  for  waivers  from                                                               
graduation  requirements,  he  reported.   The  question  now  is                                                               
whether a student at the  elementary level who has not progressed                                                               
from, for  example, level seven  to level eight will  continue to                                                               
take the same assessment for multiple  years.  If so, and if this                                                               
is  best  for the  child,  what  does this  do  for  the data  on                                                               
comparability that  one would expect  to see?  He  explained that                                                               
this type  of detail  becomes an issue.   The  department doesn't                                                               
want  to  be  misleading  in  presenting to  the  public  that  a                                                               
particular  district  has  80  or  90  percent  of  its  students                                                               
proficient  when students  have tested  at the  same level  for a                                                               
period of time.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  observed that the reverse  is what is seen  now with                                                               
so-called social promotion.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0033                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN returned to the  first principle [of H.R. 1]                                                               
outlined  by   Dr.  Sclafani,  accountability   including  annual                                                               
assessment  for  math, reading,  and  language  arts.   He  asked                                                               
whether this list includes basic English comprehension.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCLAFANI  replied, "It is  a requirement  of reading/language                                                               
arts in English."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GREEN said,  "I'm  appalled at  the  ... lack  of                                                               
knowledge  of our  own  language  from people  who  don't have  a                                                               
second [language]."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 02-10, SIDE A                                                                                                              
Number 0001                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN  offered that  some people  don't understand                                                               
English  and misuse  it.   For example,  people in  his field  of                                                               
engineering might  hide behind  the fact  that they  are science-                                                               
oriented  or  engineers  and  the belief  that  they  don't  need                                                               
[comprehensive  use]  of  English.    He  observed  that  certain                                                               
misuses irk him.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE  asked  if  funding  in the  Act  is  available  for                                                               
transportation  from a  deficient school  to a  school of  parent                                                               
choice in an area where transportation is available.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCLAFANI replied,  "Yes.    In fact,  you  must provide  the                                                               
transportation to  a parent  that requests  it within  the school                                                               
district."   She explained that a  district must set aside  up to                                                               
20 percent of its Title I funds for that purpose.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0137                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE   stated  that  Alaskans  appreciate   the  apparent                                                               
flexibility in  the Act,  because some  of Alaska's  problems are                                                               
unique.   He  added that  Alaska would  like a  seat, should  one                                                               
become available,  on the [negotiated] rulemaking  committee.  He                                                               
observed  that  Florida has  two  seats  on  the committee.    He                                                               
extended the committee's thanks to  Dr. Sclafani and asked her to                                                               
thank the [U.S.] Secretary [of  Education] and President Bush for                                                               
leadership in  such a critical area  for the nation.   He thanked                                                               
Dr. Sclafani  for traveling to  Alaska and for her  discussion of                                                               
these issues and the direct feedback given to the committee.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 0340                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Special  Committee   on  Education   meeting  was   adjourned  at                                                               
9:47 a.m.                                                                                                                       

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